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The Gospel according to Obama

16 comments, 192 views, posted 11:36 pm 11/02/2012 in Politics by Viscera
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Jedi Master

By Charles Krauthammer, Published: February 9

At the National Prayer Breakfast last week, seeking theological underpinning for his drive to raise taxes on the rich, President Obama invoked the highest possible authority. His policy, he testified “as a Christian,” “coincides with Jesus’s teaching that ‘for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.’ ”

Now, I’m no theologian, but I’m fairly certain that neither Jesus nor his rabbinic forebears, when speaking of giving, meant some obligation to the state. You tithe the priest, not the tax man.

The Judeo-Christian tradition commands personal generosity as represented, for example, by the biblical injunction against retrieving any sheaf left behind while harvesting one’s own field. That is for the gleaners — “the poor and the alien” (Leviticus 19:10). Like Ruth in the field of Boaz. As far as I can tell, that charitable transaction involved no mediation by the IRS.

But no matter. Let’s assume that Obama has biblical authority for hiking the marginal tax rate exactly 4.6 points for couples making more than $250,000 (depending, of course, on the prevailing shekel-to-dollar exchange rate). Let’s stipulate that Obama’s prayer-breakfast invocation of religion as vindicating his politics was not, God forbid, crass, hypocritical, self-serving electioneering, but a sincere expression of a social-gospel Christianity that sees good works as central to the very concept of religiosity.

Fine. But this Gospel according to Obama has a rival — the newly revealed Gospel according to Sebelius, over which has erupted quite a contretemps. By some peculiar logic, it falls to the health and human services secretary to promulgate the definition of “religious” — for the purposes, for example, of exempting religious institutions from certain regulatory dictates.

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11:42 pm 11/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Viscera:
Now, I’m no theologian, but I’m fairly certain that neither Jesus nor his rabbinic forebears, when speaking of giving, meant some obligation to the state. You tithe the priest, not the tax man.



But... but... he is the messiah!

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11:59 pm 11/02/2012

evolution

Quote by Viscera:
You tithe the priest, not the tax man.

One and the same when the words were written.

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12:15 am 12/02/2012

Quaektem

Uh... no.

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12:36 am 12/02/2012

z0phi3l

Quote by evolution:
Quote by Viscera:
You tithe the priest, not the tax man.


One and the same when the words were written.



Not even CLOSE

Matthew 22:15-22:
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.

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2:51 am 12/02/2012

evolution

Don't be so naïve. Religious institutions and the clergy have always had some manner of political power, and they collected funds even if they didn't call it a "tax."

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3:14 am 12/02/2012

Quaektem

Political power? Yeah.... but unless you're talking about theocracies church funds went to church stuff and taxes went to the rulers. You and Obama may not see much of a distinction, but throughout the majority of history there has been a distinct difference between tithe/temple donations and paying taxes (I'll give you a hint... not paying one one will end up with you in jail, the other may end up with you in hell).

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3:29 am 12/02/2012

Viscera

Quote by evolution:
Don't be so naïve. Religious institutions and the clergy have always had some manner of political power, and they collected funds even if they didn't call it a "tax."


You mean the early Christian church and the Roman Empire shared power and worked together to coerce people from their money? This is the same organization (Rome) that decided that Christians go to the lions because they wouldn't worship the man-god that was Caesar? Oh yeah they were buddies.

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3:37 am 12/02/2012

evolution

Quote by Viscera:
You mean the early Christian church and the Roman Empire shared power and worked together to coerce people from their money? This is the same organization (Rome) that decided that Christians go to the lions because they wouldn't worship the man-god that was Caesar? Oh yeah they were buddies.

No, I don't mean that at all. I didn't say they were buddies, nor did I specifically say Christian church. I said religious institutions held political power (which they did) and they collected funds (which they also did). Throughout history religious institutions have either been in competition with the state, or they have been the state.

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3:59 am 12/02/2012

Viscera

ok, well the article only cites Christian references, so I apologize that I was referring back to Krauthammer's examples.

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3:53 pm 14/02/2012

Suckapuncha

tithe = tax on the ignorant

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4:25 pm 14/02/2012

Viscera

lol, hardly unexpected

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4:59 pm 14/02/2012

Suckapuncha

I <3 you

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5:46 pm 14/02/2012

Vormid

Quote by Viscera:
At the National Prayer Breakfast last week, seeking theological underpinning for his drive to raise taxes on the rich, President Obama invoked the highest possible authority.


Quote by Quaektem:
But... but... he is the messiah!

Equally tacky

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6:09 pm 14/02/2012

Quaektem

One one of us was serious though. Sorry for disrupting the tingling up your leg

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8:40 pm 14/02/2012

Vormid

Quote by Quaektem:
One one of us was serious though



Ya think?

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3:14 am 15/02/2012

Viscera

remember I didn't say that reference, I promised I would refrain

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