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2nd Amendment Win!!! ...in Canada?

8 comments, 165 views, posted 10:40 pm 16/02/2012 in News by Quaektem
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Conservatives and enthusiasts cheer the end of the long-gun registry

OTTAWA — The Conservative government says its MPs will celebrate after a historic vote to end the long-gun registry Wednesday evening, despite vehement opposition to the move in Quebec and much of urban Canada.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews told reporters Wednesday, hours before the vote, that the government’s actions are long overdue.

“It does nothing to help put an end to gun crimes, nor has it saved one Canadian life,” he said.

“It criminalizes hard-working and law-abiding citizens such as farmers and sport shooters, and it has been a billion-dollar boondoggle left to us by the previous Liberal government.”

Quebec MP Maxime Bernier said MPs and gun-rights advocates will celebrate together Parliament Hill after Wednesday evening’s vote.

Meanwhile, opposition MPs and supporters of the registry are expected to say the government’s actions are a step backwards, because the registry has been useful in keeping the country’s streets safe.

Bill C-19, the Ending the Long Gun Registry Act, is guaranteed to pass through the House of Commons, thanks to the Conservative government’s majority, but more political wrangling is expected to follow.

Liberals in the Senate say they have no intention of “rubber stamping” the bill, which they say needs time for sober second thought.

Meanwhile, the government of Quebec, meanwhile, has plans to take legal action against the Harper government for withholding Quebec-specific data, which is essential to its plans to launch a provincial registry.

The federal law will end the requirement for lawful gun owners to register their long guns, and it relaxes rules around selling or transferring guns. Gun licences for individuals will still be required, and the registry for restricted and prohibited firearms such as handguns will be maintained.

Gun control has been ferociously debated in Canada for decades, particularly since the Montreal massacre of 1989, when a gunman shot and killed 14 women with a rifle. This event prompted the Liberal government of Jean Chretien to tighten gun controls and create Canada’s first mandatory long-gun registry in 1995.

Hunters and sport shooters reviled the registry, and dismantling it became a central plank of Reform, and later, Conservative party policy.

Liberal Senate leader James Cowan said while the Liberals in the Red Chamber have no intention of filibustering Bill C-19, they’ll make sure it gets the serious consideration it needs.

Cowan said the Tories have taken five months to move Bill C-19 through the House, taking their time with an issue that pleases their base and is a good fundraising tool.

“We’re not going to rubber stamp anything,” he said. “But certainly it won’t be in Senate longer than in House.”

Cowan said he expects Bill C-19 to arrive at the committee on legal and constitutional affairs sometime in March, at which time the committee will hear testimony, which could continue for weeks.

“We want to make sure all sides are heard,” he said. “We are determined to use the powers we have to make sure the committee has a full hearing.”

The Harper Conservatives now have a commanding majority in the Senate, so while Liberal senators may succeed in slowing down the passage of C-19, it will ultimately pass.

According to Bill C-19, all data pertaining to non-restricted firearms will be deleted.

Michael Patton, a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, said the gun registry’s central database is located in an RCMP headquarters in Ottawa. Since only data for non-restricted guns will be removed, the officials are still deciding how to carefully sift out what to delete and what to keep. He said he could not predict exactly how long the deletion of all long-gun data would take.

Patton said officials with the Canadian Firearms Program have not requested any additional money or outside assistance for this task.

Once the bill is finally passed into law, Quebec will immediately seek an injunction from the courts to halt the destruction of the registry data.

Mathieu St-Pierre, a spokesman for Quebec Public Security Minister Robert Dutil, said Quebec has the full intention of taking legal action against the federal government if it does not cough up the data it wants.

Appearing at a parliamentary committee in November, Dutil made clear his province’s desire to maintain the national gun registry. If it is scrapped, he said, Quebec should be given the data it paid for.

St-Pierre said Quebec can’t take legal action against the federal government until the bill passes. The only thing that will stop them now, he said, is if the government voluntarily transfers the Quebec-specific data from the long-gun registry.

“We will go before the courts if Bill C-19 passes, and if the (Quebec) government does not receive the data, our government lawyers already have their strategy in mind,” he said.

Jeff Larivee, whose wife was killed in the 1989 Montreal massacre, is a spokesman for the Coalition for Gun Control. He said he and many other Quebecers feel outrage at the Harper government’s determination to dismantle laws that, for many, serve as a memorial.

“I feel frustrated and I feel sad for my wife,” he said. “We are continually facing a government with an ideological belief that guns should not be controlled.”

While some lawyers doubt the constitutionality of provincial firearms registries, Toews has said that provincial registries are indeed legal.

“It’s certainly possible for a province to create a gun registry under property and civil rights,” he told Postmedia News in January. “I don’t see a constitutional issue there.”

Nevertheless, Toews said he is “certainly not advocating” provincial registries be set up.

Tony Bernardo is Canada’s leading advocate for gun owners, as executive director of the Canadian Sports Shooting Association and a lobby group called the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action.

“I’ve been working for 15 years to make this happen,” he said. “It’s a big deal for me.”

Bernardo says scrapping the long-gun registry is already a “defining moment” in Canadian people power.

“What you’re seeing here, this is democracy in action at its finest,” he said. “Millions of people spoke up and said we don’t want this, and the government responded and now it’s gone.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/15/conservatives-and-enthusiasts-cheer-the-end-of-the-long-gun-registry/

Flee... what's happening up there?!?

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11:13 pm 16/02/2012

Flee

1 step forward... 10 steps back...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/02/13/technology-lawful-access-toews-pornographers.html

The bill is expected to contain provisions from previous similar bills that have raised the concerns of privacy watchdogs and consumer advocates. Those "lawful access" provisions would:

- Require internet service providers to give subscriber data to police and national security agencies without a warrant, including names, unlisted phone numbers and IP addresses.
- Force internet providers and other makers of technology to provide a "back door" to make communications accessible to police. (i.e phones)
- Allow police to get warrants to obtain information transmitted over the internet and data related to its transmission, including locations of individuals and transactions.
- Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence.

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11:21 pm 16/02/2012

Flee

Also, we dont have a US constitution, so the 2nd Amendment doesnt really apply

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11:51 pm 16/02/2012

Squirrel

Watching the registry go away is long overdue. For all the money that has been put into it, absolutely zero crimes have been solved or prevented from it.

The uproar from the urban areas, where all the gun violence involves pistols, is a great joke to watch. Evidently they don't seem to figure how one would be doing a run and gun on a rival gang at a street corner with a .308, but because it's a gun and therefore big and scary and evil it has to be controlled so they can feel safe knowing nothing is going to change. If you want to get the urbanites going really well, tell them you're expecting the natives to register all of their long guns if they want the rest of us to register ours still. They'll be ready to kill you at the thought of equality across the board involving one of their favorite little rules.

As far as the tech "access" bill goes, that needs to die in a fire. I can see this turning into a witch hunt for torrent seeders and such as soon as it gets pushed through. First stop, Vancouver, to take down the founders/operators of IsoHunt since they've been dodging legal bombs pretty well so far but they'll just do a MegaUpload on them to shut them down and make the corporate talking heads happy.

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12:02 am 17/02/2012

DarkHelmet

I'm glad they're getting rid of it. Huge waste of money, and my Dad had to turn over a couple guns (a rifle and a shotgun) to the cops that he inherited from his father even though they were never used.

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4:05 am 17/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Flee:
- Allow courts to compel other parties to preserve electronic evidence.



Hey, we already have that in America!

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4:07 am 17/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Flee:
Also, we dont have a US constitution, so the 2nd Amendment doesnt really apply



I know... that was the joke

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4:17 am 17/02/2012

Flee

so was that

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4:24 am 17/02/2012

Quaektem

touche'

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