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Another Global Warming Myth Exposed...

36 comments, 230 views, posted 10:18 pm 08/02/2012 in Nature by Quaektem
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The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

Meltwater from Asia's peaks is much less then previously estimated, but lead scientist says the loss of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern

The world's greatest snow-capped peaks, which run in a chain from the Himalayas to Tian Shan on the border of China and Kyrgyzstan, have lost no ice over the last decade, new research shows.

The discovery has stunned scientists, who had believed that around 50bn tonnes of meltwater were being shed each year and not being replaced by new snowfall.

The study is the first to survey all the world's icecaps and glaciers and was made possible by the use of satellite data. Overall, the contribution of melting ice outside the two largest caps – Greenland and Antarctica – is much less then previously estimated, with the lack of ice loss in the Himalayas and the other high peaks of Asia responsible for most of the discrepancy.

Bristol University glaciologist Prof Jonathan Bamber, who was not part of the research team, said: "The very unexpected result was the negligible mass loss from high mountain Asia, which is not significantly different from zero."

The melting of Himalayan glaciers caused controversy in 2009 when a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change mistakenly stated that they would disappear by 2035, instead of 2350. However, the scientist who led the new work is clear that while greater uncertainty has been discovered in Asia's highest mountains, the melting of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern.

"Our results and those of everyone else show we are losing a huge amount of water into the oceans every year," said Prof John Wahr of the University of Colorado. "People should be just as worried about the melting of the world's ice as they were before."

His team's study, published in the journal Nature, concludes that between 443-629bn tonnes of meltwater overall are added to the world's oceans each year. This is raising sea level by about 1.5mm a year, the team reports, in addition to the 2mm a year caused by expansion of the warming ocean.

The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges – sometimes dubbed the "third pole" – are definitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.

The impact on predictions for future sea level rise is yet to be fully studied but Bamber said: "The projections for sea level rise by 2100 will not change by much, say 5cm or so, so we are talking about a very small modification." Existing estimates range from 30cm to 1m.

Wahr warned that while crucial to a better understanding of ice melting, the eight years of data is a relatively short time period and that variable monsoons mean year-to-year changes in ice mass of hundreds of billions of tonnes. "It is awfully dangerous to take an eight-year record and predict even the next eight years, let alone the next century," he said.

The reason for the radical reappraisal of ice melting in Asia is the different ways in which the current and previous studies were conducted. Until now, estimates of meltwater loss for all the world's 200,000 glaciers were based on extrapolations of data from a few hundred monitored on the ground. Those glaciers at lower altitudes are much easier for scientists to get to and so were more frequently included, but they were also more prone to melting.

The bias was particularly strong in Asia, said Wahr: "There extrapolation is really tough as only a handful of lower-altitude glaciers are monitored and there are thousands there very high up."

The new study used a pair of satellites, called Grace, which measure tiny changes in the Earth's gravitational pull. When ice is lost, the gravitational pull weakens and is detected by the orbiting spacecraft. "They fly at 500km, so they see everything," said Wahr, including the hard-to-reach, high-altitude glaciers.

"I believe this data is the most reliable estimate of global glacier mass balance that has been produced to date," said Bamber. He noted that 1.4 billion people depend on the rivers that flow from the Himalayas and Tibetan plateau: "That is a compelling reason to try to understand what is happening there better."

He added: "The new data does not mean that concerns about climate change are overblown in any way. It means there is a much larger uncertainty in high mountain Asia than we thought. Taken globally all the observations of the Earth's ice – permafrost, Arctic sea ice, snow cover and glaciers – are going in the same direction."

Grace launched in 2002 and continues to monitor the planet, but it has passed its expected mission span and its batteries are beginning to weaken. A replacement mission has been approved by the US and German space agencies and could launch in 2016.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains?intcmp=122

So no increase in temps and the ice caps are not melting... I wonder how much longer this hoax has.

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Comments

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3:28 pm 09/02/2012

backroom

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
And now we are arrogant enough to think WE can save her


Sorry... but I see the other side of that statement.
We are arrogant enough to think we are not hurting her.

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3:29 pm 09/02/2012

backroom

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
We don't understand a lot about this planet.


Yet it does not stop us from trashing the joint.

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3:31 pm 09/02/2012

FlyOnTheWall

I agree that we should be responsible. But I also do think that there is a lot of scare-mongering happening. And a lot of the scare-mongerers benefit financially. They either sell something that "will help this planet", or they need money to fund their research projects. Educate people. Let's do our bit - I agree. But in the BIG scheme of things, how much is the final effect REALLY?....

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3:31 pm 09/02/2012

backroom

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
if she needed any help before....


You mean before the industrial revolution and everything that has followed?
Thet is a bit more arrogance in the belief that our actions do not have a negative impact.

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3:40 pm 09/02/2012

backroom

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
But I also do think that there is a lot of scare-mongering happening. And a lot of the scare-mongerers benefit financially.


Blame the stupid people, not the scare mongers.
After all... in a free market economy shouldn't they be allowed to make money in whatever fashion... as long as no one gets hurt?
sarcasm, btw.
The scare mongers would not be in business if corporations and industry were responsible in their actions.

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3:44 pm 09/02/2012

FlyOnTheWall

If you have read what I have written, you will see that I do agree that our actions cause damage. However, the amount of damage is theoretical. Our historical data is useless - we actually gleam more information from geosurveying than a lot of the other models. And the geosurvyeing are indicating that all this warming and cooling down of Mother Earth is happening at approximately the same speed as it has done for millenia. Yes - we might speed up the cycles. But again my point is that we are worried about ourselves. If the planet dies, we do. If it causes another catastrophic disaster, it is us as humans who come off 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Earth looks after herself. And if it is destined for her to go kaboom - well - so be it- shit happens.

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3:49 pm 09/02/2012

backroom

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
If you have read what I have written,


Not arguing with you.
Just laying it out there for the arrogant or stupid.

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5:12 pm 09/02/2012

evolution

Quote by Quaektem:
Interesting... and it's always someone else that has to make the sacrifice, right?

The Chinese are already making the sacrifice. Their One-Child Policy is probably taking effect. India, being the second most populous nation, also has family planning programs, but they're not legally enforced as far as I know.

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5:14 pm 09/02/2012

evolution

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

Disregarding the irony of using DailyMail as a source after you criticise Wikipedia, the article still says: "new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years." As I said before, that's a plateau, not a decline. We could be headed for a decline, especially if environmental regulations and family planning policies are successful, but at this point it's still too soon to say that we're in safe waters.

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5:18 pm 09/02/2012

backroom

Quote by FlyOnTheWall:
how much is the final effect REALLY?....


If that matters the fight is already lost.

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6:56 pm 09/02/2012

Flee

Quote by Quaektem:
Interesting... and it's always someone else that has to make the sacrifice, right?


You may put words in my mouth, but it doesn't mean they are true

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